Buying items with real cash????????? - Guild Wars Forums

AshBlade Arc · Jul 11, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

I saw a link on the New Zealand and Austrailian web site that was selling just about any item you would want for real cash. Including Sigils and level 20 accounts!!! Is this just a cheat site or are these items allowed???

EmperorTippy · Jul 11, 2005, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Its a violation of the EULA and illegal (selling something that doesn't belong to you).

Sonko Sehn · Jul 11, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

People also sell stuff from mmo's including guild wars on ebay, but ofcourse all they say is "you're not actually bidding on the item, you're bidding on the time it took to get the item and the item is simply a gift" but all anet has to do is tell ebay to stop transactions from gw and stuff, I heard that happened with D2 not too sure though

AshBlade Arc · Jul 11, 2005, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Glad to hear it. So, why does the site allow it????????????

dargon · Jul 11, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

GW does not allow it. It's specifically against their policy.

From the 4th of July update on their webpage

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We have also undertaken direct action to deal with the increasing number of auctions of in-game items for real-world currency. It is strictly against the policies of Guild Wars and NCsoft to allow such sales, and we will continue diligently to close such auctions.

=HT=Ingram · Jul 11, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Technically speaking. In legal terms you are also trading on materials with Copyright violations in that the product being sold are the copyright property of Arenanet and NCSoft. It has not had precedence yet, but if it was to go to court, it could be presented that way. In Game Gold, Sigils Weapons Items ect are all copyright protected code, that is being exchanged illegally. Even selling accounts with full inventories could be considered a violation of copyright. All be it the DMCA is a pain in the butt for so many venues I would hate to give it a good aspect of any kind to be seen in a good light. But it is something they could pursue if it ever came to that, but it would cost a bundle to do it, so its prob just easier to ban wipe the accounts that have been used to do these transactions. which they are doing one by one...

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Also, if you're saying that GWGuru condones this because of the "ads" you've seen posted in various forums here, those posts are being made by people who own those types of sites. They are not encouraged, condoned or allowed by GWG. From what I understand, the accounts are banned as soon as a moderator sees the posts. The annoying part is that the person simply recreates a slightly different account and does it again.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Technically speaking. In legal terms you are also trading on materials with Copyright violations in that the product being sold are the copyright property of Arenanet and NCSoft. It has not had precedence yet, but if it was to go to court, it could be presented that way.

Virtual property has gone to court in other games, such as Dark Age of Camelot

Court found in favor of the game makers (3 years ago)
http://www.gamegirladvance.com/mmog/...us_mythic.html

=HT=Ingram · Jul 11, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Nice find. I stand very pleasantly corrected... There is indeed a precedence for this problem legally.

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

they auction off their time not the item....the item is a gift. it's the same basic principle used to scalp tickets to events. You sell a t-shirt for 5,000 dollars and two tickets to the Super Bowl are a gift.....

Jul 11, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47	#1
AshBlade Arc Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: World Profession: W/Mo	Buying items with real cash????????? I saw a link on the New Zealand and Austrailian web site that was selling just about any item you would want for real cash. Including Sigils and level 20 accounts!!! Is this just a cheat site or are these items allowed???

Jul 11, 2005, 04:49 AM // 04:49	#2
EmperorTippy Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005	Its a violation of the EULA and illegal (selling something that doesn't belong to you).

Jul 11, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50	#3
Sonko Sehn Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	People also sell stuff from mmo's including guild wars on ebay, but ofcourse all they say is "you're not actually bidding on the item, you're bidding on the time it took to get the item and the item is simply a gift" but all anet has to do is tell ebay to stop transactions from gw and stuff, I heard that happened with D2 not too sure though

Jul 11, 2005, 11:23 AM // 11:23	#4
AshBlade Arc Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: World Profession: W/Mo	Glad to hear it. So, why does the site allow it????????????

Jul 11, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21	#6
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	Technically speaking. In legal terms you are also trading on materials with Copyright violations in that the product being sold are the copyright property of Arenanet and NCSoft. It has not had precedence yet, but if it was to go to court, it could be presented that way. In Game Gold, Sigils Weapons Items ect are all copyright protected code, that is being exchanged illegally. Even selling accounts with full inventories could be considered a violation of copyright. All be it the DMCA is a pain in the butt for so many venues I would hate to give it a good aspect of any kind to be seen in a good light. But it is something they could pursue if it ever came to that, but it would cost a bundle to do it, so its prob just easier to ban wipe the accounts that have been used to do these transactions. which they are doing one by one...

Jul 11, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#7
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	Also, if you're saying that GWGuru condones this because of the "ads" you've seen posted in various forums here, those posts are being made by people who own those types of sites. They are not encouraged, condoned or allowed by GWG. From what I understand, the accounts are banned as soon as a moderator sees the posts. The annoying part is that the person simply recreates a slightly different account and does it again.

Jul 11, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08	#9
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	Nice find. I stand very pleasantly corrected... There is indeed a precedence for this problem legally.

Jul 11, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#10
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	they auction off their time not the item....the item is a gift. it's the same basic principle used to scalp tickets to events. You sell a t-shirt for 5,000 dollars and two tickets to the Super Bowl are a gift.....